It was revealed that Azshara and Sylvanas had a secret pact. I'd rather have Forsaken stay loyal to Sylvanas than have someone like Calia leading them. However, Sylvanas is not serving N'zoth. I expected her to become the new Forsaken leader since she was revealed and I don't really mind. Alright this thread isn't another one of the "OMG SYLVANUS IS EVUL" nor is it a "KILL SYLVANIS" but there is alot of speculation about who the leader of the Forsaken would be if she steps out of line. For a while, players wondered if she'd serve as a replacement leader for Sylvanas, as she is a strong-willed member of the Forsaken we've helped in several expansions, notably Scholomance in Mists of Pandaria. Now… Having a holy roller like Calia be the new Forsaken leader is sweet poetic justice. This slavish adherence to some sort of blood right to rule is sickening. No one wants this. She didn’t experience the domination of the Lich King, she didn’t partake in the things the Forsaken had to do to survive and carve out a place in the world for themselves, she wasn’t treated as a monster and rejected by the ones she loved It remains to be seen how she will be received by the Forsaken at large, but for now, what we know is that when the leaders of the Horde and Alliance assembled atop Icecrown Citadel in the aftermath of Sylvanas' attack, Calia Menethil was among them as the representative for the Forsaken. She has a certain mastery of leadership, military strategy, and the bow. Now they can raise more forsaken. She's a woman of Lordaeron, just like a lot of the Forsaken. After becoming a banshee, Sylvanas now has pale, bluish skin, although she is in better conditions than most of the other undead who are visibly … Also Calia becoming the leader is not surprising at all. Voss will be probably become the new leader via Twitter or they remain leaderless for the next two expansions. As the leader of the Forsaken and the Horde on the Eastern Kingdoms, Sylvanas is a military genius. 'Break the cycle' and all that. they should make Lilian Voss the new leader if the Forsaken. I’m just interested, forsakens are too much attached to Dark Lady and speak about her all the time. God damn those casuals and their utter refusal to ever complain as much as the so-called hardcores. Without the Menethils there would be no scourge, and the forsaken would not be cursed with eternal undeath. My choice is Undertaker Mordo. Lilian: That meeting went exactly as I'd hoped. Rokhan is the leader of the Trolls. Hopefully once Sylvanas inevitably betrays him Nathanos will join us to take her down and lead the Forsaken himself. Even Master Apothecary Faranell is more of a fitting leader to the Forsaken than Calia, she isn’t even part of the Horde.Lillian should be the one chosen to lead the Forsaken, she is more of a proper representation of the struggles that every undead had to deal with to become ForsakenAlso Blizz should do something with the Royal Apothecary Society, they are a huge part of the Forsaken legacy and have been left out of the main story for a really long time. Just what we need another alliance leading the horde. The Undercity, now known as the Ruins of Undercity, was the capital city of the Forsaken undead of the Horde.Its ruins are located right under the Ruins of Lordaeron in Tirisfal Glades, at the northwestern edge of the continent of Lordaeron.. Far beneath the ruined Capital City of the kingdom of Lordaeron, its royal crypts were turned into a bastion of evil and undeath. [citation needed] Her name is also spelled as Sylvannas. Forsaken was 'horde' mainly because their first leader pledged loyalty to the horde. No forsaken should let anyone with that name near Lorderon. For a while, players wondered if she'd serve as a replacement leader for Sylvanas, as she is a strong-willed member of the Forsaken we've helped in several expansions, notably Scholomance in Mists of Pandaria. And all power to her. All you need now is the gauntlet. He calls their leader a bitch (or, well, he used to) and then leaves, expecting it to stop. Between that and her appearance in Shadows Rising following along with Lillian Voss, it seems clear that if Calia wasn't the leader for the Forsaken, she was on the track to becoming said leader. Floresse-draenor 2019-08-19 16:42:16 UTC #2 I’m not exactly sure, but I think it was said in Before the Storm that she wanted to go to Undercity and be there for her people, but she couldn’t because she’s now the Warchief of the Horde. Bad idea, yes. I don't play Alliance, and I want her as the Forsaken leader, I don't want anymore morally questionable leaders in the Horde, that was supposed to end when Thrall took over in WC3, Without the Menethils there would be no scourge…. All the forsaken know him, he is the first NPC every newly created forsaken ever meet, he gives the first ever quest when you create an undead. Ffffffffffff-I forsee many race changes. Jonan Adley: Early recruit of the Black Tower. Achievements, Pet Battles, and Transmogrification, Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Online Cardgame. But when Sylvanas presents this to Garrosh...he is horrified, disgusted, completely against it. 1st south park garots... now happy garots... next one must be overdramatic seinen manga garots... And what will anyone be able to do about that? If you watched the entirety of the latest 8.2.5 cinematics and cutscenes, you are now aware that Sylvanas basically ditched the Forsaken and left Orgrimmar. We all know that Lillian Voss is the new Forsaken leader. WoW players are incredibly media illiterate. she has zero connection to the horde, if they made her leader of the forsaken now that means she on the horde and would be opposed to jaina proudmoore even though they have basically become friends in end BFA through her helping derek.Sure Blizzard has not been consistent with lore but if they actually did this it would one of the most nonsensical lore things they have done. The Horde is made up of orcs, Forsaken, tauren, trolls, blood elves, goblins, and most recently, pandaren (Huojin). I think this is possible and I do not think sylvanas comes out alive from this expa and the forsaken will have a new leader who is a menethil. Alright this thread isn't another one of the "OMG SYLVANUS IS EVUL" nor is it a "KILL SYLVANIS" but there is alot of speculation about who the leader of the Forsaken would be if she steps out of line. Sure someone mentioned the Lich King or the Argent Dawn etc. As for actual leaders, Orugor is right. Basically both Jaina and Derek exhort Calia to minister to the Forsaken, to give them the hope that Calia had apparently given to Derek in helping him deal with the transition to undeath. She has a certain mastery of leadership, military strategy, and the bow. The elves, most of them, broke with them, at the Scourge time, and 'Forsaken' aren't just 'humans', although they are the majority. Based on the brief quest you get from Voss after the close of the faction war, it does indeed seem to be the way it's going, yes. In the Age of Legends, those who could channel the One Power afforded the most status and honor as Aes Sedai, living up to the literal translation \"servants of all.\" They employed their various Talents in ways that served the good of society. Having leaders that care more for long-term stability than trying to conquer everything or killing everything (and either way throwing their own people into the shredder for that) can only be a good thing.There'll always be enough threats from the outside without artificially blowing up tensions and making expansions about wars between player factions. As a result, I was pretty surprised to log into the PTR and see that Lilian Voss had a quest for me regarding the future of the Forsaken. She isn't going Horde, she is going Forsaken. All the forsaken know him, he is the first NPC every newly created forsaken ever meet, he gives the first ever quest when you create an undead. Lor'themar Theron: ...the peace remains tenuous. The Forsaken are a race and faction of undead who broke away from the Scourge and took control of much of the kingdom of Lordaeron, destroyed during the Third War by the death knight Arthas. As funky magic power goes, I think she now has more than any of the other faction leaders. It’s possible, and if the writers had a good platform to work off of, that could be a HUGE point of drama for future Forsaken … I sure hope so. Sylvanas Windrunner is a fictional character who appears in the Warcraft series of video games by Blizzard Entertainment.Originally introduced in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, she received a dramatic redesign in World of Warcraft: Legion to her current appearance, much more in line with her in-universe lore depictions. But that doesn't mean she has to change appearance so much that it looks like she's one of the by far elder nightelves now. They already said she will not be a Horde leader.... i do hope they keep their word this time. Anduin would be very happy that Calia became the leader of the Forsaken. Under her leadership the Forsaken have managed to not only fend off the Scourge, but also the Scarlet Crusade. Lilian: My lady. The forsaken should be lead by a forsaken, not an Alliance insertion with her own special form of undeath with no side effects. With Lilian Voss' absence, it does seem to imply that Calia serves an important role for the Forsaken, if not the outright leader. [citation needed] Her name is also spelled as Sylvannas. I believe Calia Menethil can help many who are lost. © 2020 MagicFind, Inc. All rights reserved. And Blood Elves are sustained by the Holy Light now so the whole "addiction" thing is basically ignorant night elf hate. The elves, most of them, broke with them, at the Scourge time, and 'Forsaken' aren't just 'humans', although they are the majority. During her lifetime, Sylvanas had long blonde hair that "floated like water" and was "translucent in sunlight". https://blizzardwatch.com/2020/07/14/will-lead-forsaken-shadowlands She should make like a tree....AND BURN. Creator of Trollocs, gholam, and other Shadowspawn. Will Calia Menethil Lead the Forsaken in Shadowlands? It's not confirmed she's the leader of the Forsaken in her dialogue, and Valeera Sanguinar is also present on the Horde-themed side who is not a Horde leader by any means (she even shows up in Stormwind in the 8.3 aftermath talking to Shaw). She is supposed to be a bridge between her people, the livings AND the deads.If she join the alliance, how can she be a bridge with the dead? Ideally, they'd return to Sylvanas after her story continues, but I suspect Blizzard will commit to cutting her off, so the next best choices are Nathanos and Lilian. The surprise announcement of World of Warcraft patch 8.3 came with loads of info about what we can expect from the final major patch of Battle for Azeroth.But what it didn’t touch on were some of the smaller, more minute details that would be awaiting us. The Horde (also called the New Horde, Thrall's Horde or Vol'jin's Horde) is one of the two major political factions of the mortal races in Azeroth, its counterpart being the Alliance which the Horde has traditionally been at war with. . Stop trying to push her to the Horde... She is a Alliance problem deal with it without *#&$¨ the Horde even more cause of reasons. So Calia IS the new Forsaken leader. She took great care of her appearance: "It wasn't enough for her to be the best huntress in the family. Comment by Maleki on 2019-10-07T19:25:43-05:00. Under her leadership the Forsaken have managed to not only fend off the Scourge, but also the Scarlet Crusade. I’m just interested, forsakens are too much attached to Dark Lady and speak about her all the time. The Forsaken were channelers who served the side of the Shadow in the War of Power. For its past, see History of the Horde. As a Forsaken player, not a big fan of this. The Aiel call them the Shadowsouled. In 8.3 Blizzard built up the idea of Cahlia Menethil for the Forsaken Elves, Lightforged Undead, and many other aspects of the Undead as well as the loss of a leader but nothing in SL talks about it. She’s the least Forsaken-like candidate they could possibly put forward. Even in 8.3 it seems that Lillian Voss is sidestepping responsibility for the Forsaken as a whole. If a channeler used the Power in a way that was harmful or deceitful, which was relatively rare, he or she would be bound as a criminal by a binder that prevented a repeat offense. These are troubled times. There were elf undead, now we have more night elven undead. Calia will become the new "spiritual leader". I'm just discussing this because it's an interesting topic not because I actually want her to go... Patience and reason do appear to be in short supply these days in the gaming community. I am Lilian Voss. Forsaken come from Lordaeron and Calia was one of the royal family. If you somehow attach a right to rule because of her name, then she bears responsibility for what that sociopath paladin did and the creation of the forsaken. She’s the best situated for it in my opinion. Bonus points if Calia is involved with killing Sylvanas. For others, such as the Night Elf sentinels, she is a beacon of hope that can guide them through the unseats transition along with Lilian and Derek. But when Sylvanas presents this to Garrosh...he is horrified, disgusted, completely against it. Werewolf: The Forsaken is a tabletop role-playing game set in the Chronicles of Darkness created by White Wolf Game Studio.It is the successor to Werewolf: The Apocalypse, the "game of savage horror" from the old World of Darkness line of games, but has moved to a more personal sort of horror, reflecting the "dark mystery" theme of the Chronicles of Darkness. They went from having two leaders who encouraged the Forsaken to be evil mass murders, to a "Lightforged" leader who wants the Forsaken to be friendly and altruistic. Thank you for agreeing to meet with me. Aginor: One of the Forsaken; originally named Ishar Morrad Chuain. The forsaken will be ignored until they need another "token evil" questgiver. Now… With Lilian Voss' absence, it does seem to imply that Calia serves an important role for the Forsaken, if not the outright leader. Now she’s traiter and someone needs to take Forsaken in his/her hands. she has zero connection to the horde, if they made her leader of the forsaken now that means she on the horde and would be opposed to jaina proudmoore even though they have basically become friends in end BFA through her helping derek. You can try to trick and fool us all you want but you've been literally grooming Lillian for this position for almost 15 years. When Arthas Menethil and the … The problem with Calia as a Forsaken leader is mostly that she is just not forsaken. Calia should be neutral. Comment by Dharay on 2019-10-07T18:22:00-05:00. In A Memory of Light, Logain becomes the new leader of the Black Tower. With Lilian Voss' absence, it does seem to imply that Calia serves an important role for the Forsaken, if not the outright leader. As the leader of the Forsaken and the Horde on the Eastern Kingdoms, Sylvanas is a military genius. When we saw the Maw open up on the Shadowlands alpha, a lot of us noticed Calia Menethil conspicuously standing over by the Horde leaders. The forgotten princess of Lordaeron has come home. Though leader is better said as ‘representative’. There were elf undead, now we have more night elven undead. I have decided to leave Kul Tiras. They are currently allied with the Horde. And I hope that BfA was the last expansion in which 'Horde vs. Alliance' ever was a major plot point. She also had to be breathtakingly beautiful for all those who had the honor of meeting her. She now also controls some of the ex-scourge. Then they will say that only a small portion of forsaken … I mean am shocked people are saying Calia is a bad choice for the leader of the Forsaken. Now they can raise more forsaken. This leaves the Forsaken without a home or a leader, and now, like the rest of the Horde, they have an uncertain future of their own to find. speculation about who the leader of the Forsaken would be if she steps out of line. As for the Undead, I can see them putting Derek in charge. Priest Order Hall, the Netherlight Temple. You jest, but my Forsaken priest is so traumatized at being abandoned by the Dark Lady that she now worships a piece of bread with a moldy spot that looks like Sylvanas’s face. She was of such vanity." Comment by Shaitan051 on 2019-10-07T18:01:47-05:00. Many of the Forsaken are former citizens of Lordaeron and she was their Princess. Our people need stability--Alliance and Horde alike. My choice is Undertaker Mordo. Spoilers for the Shadowlands expansion in this post. ok calia is now an undead and she wants to be the ruler of the forsaken and lordaeron. ok calia is now an undead and she wants to be the ruler of the forsaken and lordaeron. But it seems your people have lost a queen as well. Even in 8.3 it seems that Lillian Voss is sidestepping responsibility for the Forsaken as a whole. The Forsaken are led by their Banshee Queen, Lady Sylvanas Windrunner, the former Ranger-General of Quel'Thalas. Anduin would be very happy that Calia became the leader of the Forsaken. Now she’s traiter and someone needs to take Forsaken in his/her hands. Sylvanas Windrunner (the Banshee Queen, the Dark Lady, Queen of the Forsaken; nicknamed "Lady Moon" by Alleria) is the former Ranger-General of Silvermoon.She currently serves as leader of the Forsaken faction of undead and Warchief of the Horde after the Battle on the Broken Shore.She is the middle sister of Alleria and Vereesa Windrunner.. They were known to followers of the Shadow as "Those Chosen To Rule The World Forever," or simply the Chosen. I would say welcome the new leader of the Forsaken and wish that she doesn’t get the Sylvanas treatment. I think that she's here to stay but I also think the idea of someone new leading the forsaken would be interesting to discuss. Sylvanas recruited an unknown number of Val'kyr to raise new Forsaken. Her eyes were "grayer than green or blue." But I think if she steps out of line, it'll just be to step on Garrosh's face. In 8.3 Blizzard built up the idea of Cahlia Menethil for the Forsaken Elves, Lightforged Undead, and many other aspects of the Undead as well as the loss of a leader but nothing in SL talks about it. Calia: Thank you for coming, Jaina. Now, both of the Windrunners were ranger captains from the Quel'Thalas region which is no more since it was decided to punish the highelves for wanting to keep themselves away from all the action in WC3. Kernns-argent-dawn (Kernns) 2019-08-19 20:51:44 UTC #24 Ya I Don’t like undead scarlets - just saying if it HAD to happen which looks like it does, leave the forsaken … For a while, players wondered if she'd serve as a replacement leader for Sylvanas, as she is a strong-willed member of the Forsaken we've helped in several expansions, notably Scholomance in Mists of Pandaria. Now they can gain more of a voice within the Horde. I prefer the original methods of un death... What the hell is wrong with you people? Forsaken was 'horde' mainly because their first leader pledged loyalty to the horde. Among the Atha'an Shadar (Seanchan Darkfriends) they are known formally as Da'concion, or "the Chosen Ones". Overlord Gey'arah: The Mag'har have never known life without a warchief. Killed when Rand al'Thor lost control of Callandor in Altara. He calls their leader a bitch (or, well, he used to) and then leaves, expecting it to stop. Comment by Haverok on 2019-10-07T18:02:21-05:00. It will be hard for them--and for me. I think that she's here to stay but I also think the idea of someone new leading the forsaken would be interesting to discuss. 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