But we don't just move freight; we touch people and communities along the way. Same with RR'ers in TEY service. ), then Ogden? - Erik. BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line) - Trains .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. Helpers cut off at Palmer Lakeor Colorado Springs (Grain trains). Members of both unions from all involved railroads are welcome to attend. Crew districts are not static. Yermo isn't much more than a wide spot in the road that the I-15 bypassed. Going the extra mile for our customers and our communities. (While not directly owned, supposedly the ownership has ties to the UP.) I spent quite a few summers in Miles City (my dad's home town) during the 1970's and heard Harlowton mentioned quite a few times, but don't recall hearing about Melstone. Rail is the most environmentally efficient mode of surface transportation and at BNSF we are committed to improving the efficiency of our network in a way that benefits both our customers and the environment. Other changes on the PCE were Alberton, MT to St. Maries, ID and St. Maries, ID to Othello, WA. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. Since 2001, BNSF has eliminated districts running to Eugene, Ore., Helena, Mont., Quanah, Texas, Mobile, Ala., and International Falls, Minn. All were on lines sold off, embargoed, or substituted with haulage agreements on another railroad. Others are where two adjacent crew districts were merged into one, with the crews running through the former change point between the two on all, or most trains. All Rights Reserved. Here are> some places I know they run helpers at least occassionally:> > * BNSF/UP: Denver to Palmer Lake. OK, LION knows that tey went from 100 mile runs to 200 mile runs some time about 10 years ago. FOR PARTS Snow Joe 24V-X2-SB18-XR 18 Inch 48 Volt Cordless Snow Blower $15,000 Hiring Bonus-Conductor Trainee - Mandan, ND Opposition is mounting among workers at freight railroad BNSF to a new points-based attendance policy which management has unilaterally implemented. Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. "The Belen cutoff was established in 1908 and that was really the first major enhancement," explained Craig Rasmussen, assistant vice president, Engineering Services and Structures. CP never owned any of those ginormous tenders like the Santa Fe had to get across the arid areas they served. It is interesting when you look at old ETT's. It's grown enough that engineer's need about half of that, even less for conductors. BNSF Nears Shift To One-Member Crews, Possibly Even on - DeSmog In these stories you'll meet some of the thousands of diverse, talented, and dedicated employees who do their part to keep freight moving for our customers. UP is Distributive Power only.BNSF is all trains over 8000 tons and some under that.No distributive power. The crew change point on the South Transcon is Wellington Kan, Amarillo Texas Belen New Mexico Needles California Barstow, California (on some trains) Fresno, California Stockton California--also some trains change crews at Bakersfield, California Maybe others can fill in Dale Smith [ Reply To This Message ] [ Quote ] Date: 09/07/16 19:16 Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. Even a 25 MPH scheduled speed would result in an 8 hour trip. Men in chain gang freightservice preferred being called in McCombfor a run to Gwin, since it was farther than a run to New Orleans. EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. ), Yes BNSF uses helpers if they cant meet the UP HP per Tonrequirements. Thanks in advance for your help.Ken Stitzel wrote: You do not have permission to delete messages in this group. I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. Don't forget BNSF's Southwest Chief line. To clarify, Chicago to North La Crosse is one district, and Galesburg to North La, > To clarify, Chicago to North La Crosse is one. myemployer, any other railroad, company, or person. Don't worry, we won't send you too many. Anyone on the seniority district can work the pool, assumingthey have the seniority. It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. "It was a way to limit time off even though they didn't have a lot of people and they needed a lot of people," said Knutson. Frisco always changed freight crews at Newburg, MO but my grandpa as passenger conductor changed at Monett, MO, which was farther down the line. BNSF forges ahead with capacity expansion projects despite - Trains I doubt many trains could've made the extra 70 or so miles to Rochelle on their hours. Unlimited Members, sign in to enjoy sitewide access. Whenever I go to the local Amtrak station I enjoy talking with the agent when he is not busy with other people, even telling him that his worst nightmare has come back to him. Every scheduled train from First Class passenger trains to Fourth Class freights had a scheduled stop for water at Bassano. Details are as follows: Time: 5:30 p.m., Wednesday, Nov. 9 Location: BLET National Division . All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. Amarillo is a crew change point, so there is a lot of activity along the city's rail lines. Crew districts are not static. Can someone in road service choosewhich pool to work in? Our vision is to realize BNSF's tremendous potential by providing transportation services that consistently meet our customers expectations. Welcome to the BNSF newsroom. - Erik. More than just lines on a map, a railroad is people. Subscribers, sign in to access exclusive content. Zug, I still enjoy talking with railroad employees, but I am very careful about initiating conversations. In order to get a minimum speed of 12 or so MPH on the 0.5% ruling grades, the locomotives should have been able to maintain 25 or more MPH on level track, hence my wondering about 200 mile crew changes. Official site: Where are the crew change points between Belen and Barstow, and are Belen and Barstow themselves also crew change points? Crew Change Points, Belen to Barstow - RAILROAD.NET Also Portal, ND and Noyes, MN, but that is because thay are also Country change points(Canada/US border). The only BNSF jobs @ Kingman is a daytime rd swtchr followed by a afternoon one. 546 posts BNSF Crew Change Points (Transcon and Hi Line) Posted by Doublestack on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:39 PM Good evening, Someone recently asked me how many crew changes it takes to get from Chicago to LA vs. Chicago to Seattle. Vancouver, WA or Pasco, WA-Wishram, WA-Bend, OR-Klamath Falls, OR-Keddie, CA-Stockton, CA? BNSFs Economic Development team can help guide you through the process of expanding, developing or selecting a site. It's not just bad news for workers. And, crew change points were (and still are)not always the same for engine crews and for train crews on the same train. Some were/are longer, some were/are shorter. BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. Need to talk with someone at BNSF about a news report youre putting together? To participate you must either login or register for an account. I'm not sure if crews run through from Keddie to Stockton, or if there is a crew change at Marysville, CA. 16. The Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway (BNSF) is the largest Class I railroad in the country and is one of the two major freight railroads in Wyoming. I can remember when the "featherbedding" talk began, about needing to keep crews in the trains longer because the trains were faster and did they really need three men in the cab and two in the rear. You can rely on BNSFs team of experts to help educate you on the benefits of incorporating our rail network into your supply chain. Crew change points on the old Santa Fe Transco Author: chicohogger. Don't miss this look at the history of America's most influential builder of locomotives. Originally theyhad the hot trains, with the lesser ones going to the short pool. In Iowa, they started running Atkins, IA on the Council Bluffs main and Nahant (Davenport) on the KC line. Amtrak runs Whitefish to Havre, but I think all freights recrew at Shelby, MT, I think the other crew change is at Wolf Point, MTrather than Glasgow, MT. The mainliners just blast through town. BNSF Railway's first-in-the-industry Tribal Relations program seeks to build and strengthen ties . A minor correction to Agentkid's posting. Amazing the mass of RR knowledge amongst the members of this forum. We see this very often here. Terms Of Use | Notice at Collection | Privacy | 2022 BNSF Railway Company. Don't know if he's going to range all the way up to PRB coal country or west into Utah. I'd wonder if the average speed of the slowest Milwaukee freights on the Trans-Missouri Division during the first generation diesel era would have been more like 25 MPH as opposed to 12.5 MPH. Find images, videos and PDFs that help tell you more about BNSF. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay. Drawback for those that don't live near Clinton is the drive. Thanks again,everyone! Barstow MP 745.9 Home to a very large classification yard and crew change point for the BNSF. For nearly 170 years, BNSF has been safely and efficiently transporting freight and helping shape our country's history. All engine crews changed in McComb; thus all passenger engine crews ran 100 miles from start to finish. Dickinson crews still run locals between New Salem and Beach including the ever growing rail hub of RICHARDTON ND. Usually, the two crew districts that abutted became one double-ended district. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. EDIT: To answer the original poster's question I checked with what limited ressources I have, and found the following CP (ex Soo Line) crew change points in his part of the world. Learn more about how the Amarillo project enhances the entire Southern Transcon in this video: Please subscribe to receive occasional email newsletters keeping you in the loop about BNSF and customized for where you live. I'm a teetotaler, so that thought is never on my mind. Open navigation menu In 1992, Santa Fe began a decades-long project to double-track the 512 miles of the route that remained single-tracked. > * Pueblo east: ?? Zug, you guys must have really been tired. For some reason, I always thought crew change points were determined by how long it took to get there. This year alone, BNSF is investing approximately $1 billion into the 2,200-mile Southern Transcon route. 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Maybe an old BN expert can help us here, but didn't BN change some crew districts in Montana to run up to 450 miles? Many times after the adoptionof the 130 mile day, the terminals didn't change. About 50/50 on one crewactually making it. erikem The railroad has been one of the major economic drivers and employers for many of the Wyoming communities it passes through. The reason why so many (former complainers included) drive to workit, it's set up to work about 8 round trips per month and pays good. Bassano was located at almost the exact halfway point on the Sub. The Southern Transcon has been continually enhanced to accommodate the evolving needs of freight and passenger rail. Find the right person at BNSF to help you. ), then Ogden?> > Helper Districts:> > Between the closing of Tennessee Pass and the use of remote units, I'm> not sure there are any permanent helper districts anymore. No, they never had aProviso- Boone long pool. But crew change locations make a logical place to start and end activities. Here we highlight stories centered on our safety culture and why it is ingrained in everything we do. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of. Illinois locomotive engineer describes brutal scheduling, new BNSF modified their policy on June 1. Forsome railroaders getting in on the other end, actually either end, the first thing they think about is beer. Goodson said that if employees work on the weekends, they can earn a single point to add to their total. Click here to learn about the Unlimited Membership. Just west of Minot, the train rolled over the 1792-foot-long, 117-foot-tall Gassman Coulee Trestle, one of many high steel bridges on the GN. Railroad systems are divided into subdivisions, usually between crew change points. He said the policy is very stringent. GN 441 Luxury Locomotive Lodge: Westbound to Montana Since trains are stopping to give one crew rest and to pick up fresh conductors and engineers, adding another "lane" allows trains that have completed their crew change to get moving again and for faster traffic to pass slower traffic more readily. It is interesting when you look at old ETT's. They seem to use the Williard crews for the long distance intermodals (from east coast) and Williards for the manifests and commodity trains. Jeff:Thanks for the explanations. Radio Frequencies: AAR 55, 160.935, DS-10, Winslow to Seligman; AAR 36 160.650 DS-11 Seligman to Topock; AAR 55 160.935 Topock to Needles. The unions were able to get the UP to agree to leave Boone as home terminal for the Rochelle - Boone pools, but shortly thereafter the railroad dropped the whole idea. I can remember when the "featherbedding" talk began, about needing to keep crews in the trains longer because the trains were faster and did they really need three men in the cab and two in the rear. Drawback for those that don't live near Clinton is the drive. "With over 17 million intermodal loads transported by rail annually, BNSF's Southern Transcon is one of several key routes for the movement of goods from Southern California to Chicago," said Joni Casey, president and CEO, Intermodal Association of North America. They also handle (normally) the salad shooters. They needed the people because they didn't have them.". The MBI book "BNSF Railway" has an excellent map that pinpoints all the BNSF crew change points as of 2005. All in all, it is an interesting aspect to the industry. Railfan | Flagstaff Model Railroad Club Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Canadian Passenger Operations: AMT, Go Transit, VIA, etc. / Belen / Clovis / Avard? Usually though, a long pool crew on trains that normally go to the short pool will still change out at Boone and theLP crew will continue on to the other end in a van. Five years ago, a conductor on the Southwest Chief initiated a conversation with me when, as I was standing in the aisle outside the room my wife and I occupied, she ran into my arms. (I've heard about helpers living in Tabernash but don't know if that's a permanent thing or not. The average daily rate while in training as a new hire conductor will be approximately $221 per day, or $27.68 per hour (based on . CSXTHS - Rail Fanning - BNSF/UP - Barstow and Yermo, CA - 10-27-2017 I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. Each employee would be given 30 points for the rest of their career but would be docked points for taking off weekdays (two points), weekends (four points), and holidays (ten points). Between the closing of Tennessee Pass and the use of remote units, I'mnot sure there are any permanent helper districts anymore. I thought they also did a UPcrew district map too, but I may be thinking about a map on the UP company website. The home terminal is the place where the crew normally goes to work; usually, its where the crew members live. -- Steve Holmes, Steve Holmes Productions (helping companies communicate through award-winning video)Iowa City, IA, USAhttp://www.shpvideo.com My address: sigerson "at" inav "dot" net (replace "" words withsymbols). It is approximately 185 miles long, which was a huge accomplishment back then. Retirees may not work at BNSF any longer, but many are active in their communities and play an important role as unofficial ambassadors for BNSF. (200+ miles?). Would this be the right list for the Transcon? Although you may have to be a subscriber to access it, there is a map of BNSF crew districts in the Trains'Railroad Reference section under railroad maps. Meanwhile, BNSF is spending $581 million this year to forge . Does the UP still have a Proviso to Boone long pool? Goodson said the previous attendance policy wasn't nearly as strict and allowed more time for family events and time with her three children. I though I saw articles in the mainstream press in the '80's that they were extending crew districts from east of Spokane, WA, across the Idaho panhandle, and over onto the flatland's of Montana. With only one curve sharper than 3 degrees between the two points, the track alignment was well suited for 50 to 60 MPH freight running - though track maintenance may have been another story. The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. For the moment I still have more tracks, trains, and switches then they do, but that is changing rapidly, as two new rail facilities are planned for this town. His perigrinations may take him intoneighboring parts of Wyoming and New Mexico, possibly Nebraska orKansas, too. Looking for a media contact within BNSF? Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. Which meant that many crewsmight not be able to make the far treminal on their HOS. BNSF Crew Change Locations In order to set up activities for the BNSF and other railroads, I can't recall anyone putting out any kind of a list for where crew changes take place. Thanks in advance! Men in road service on the Louisiana Division of the IC were based in McComb, Mississippi, which is about 100 miles from New Orleans and from Canton, Mississippi--and about 149 miles from Gwin, Mississippi, on the route through the Delta(the last two were junctions with the Tennessee Division) Passenger trains ran between Canton and New Orleans, and through freights ran between Gwin and New Orleans, on the Louisiana Division. I find it ironic that the MILW expandend some of their districts just as deferredmaintenance caused speeds to drop. Additionally, if employees fall into the top 10 percent of hours worked, they can earn points. Log in to get the latest information on your invoices, payments and purchase orders. BNSF purchases material and service items from an extensive list of sources. One of my easterly buddies is coming to Colorado for some extensiverailfanning this spring. I have to look thru some stuff, but I think they used to change at Melstone, MT. Back in the 60's, the SP had a run out of Los Angeles to Santa Barbara, CA. If this is your first visit, welcome to TrainSim.Com! "We have had a lot of people resign, quit working, and not just Gillette, across the system, because they went and found other jobs. I wish I had asked a trainman how the pay was calculated, since some of the turn arounds were short. The 100 mile day was based on how far you would travel in 8 hours at a speed of 12.5 mph. Nothing against the over-eager railfans, but the only thing we wanted to think about was sleep. Thanks for joining us! "The attendance policy we had in the past, it would allow basically any person to take two weekend days and five weekdays per month off," he explained. Jason McLaughlin - Freight Conductor - BNSF Railway | LinkedIn Others are where two adjacent crew districts were merged into one, with the crews running through the former change point between the two on all, or most trains. Jeff, another hotel where you can rub shoulders with men in road service is the Clarion Hotel in Albany, N.Y. (Trains that continue to Ft Worth changenext at Childress but the Dalhart to Childress and Childressto Ft Worth segments are also over ambitious. Union Pacific's crew change point is Yermo, a few miles east of Barstow. Since crews are usually pooled on a first-in, first-out basis, everyone still has the same opportunity to rack up miles and thus pay. This was indicated by a bold type stripe across the page for every train at Bassano. Please have a look here to see what other groups are saying about BNSF Railway. While they have been built to provide lodging for AFHT crews, they are open to the public as well. This change made two crew districts out of what were three, running thru the traditional terminals atAvery, ID and Malden, WA. As trains have become faster, many intermediate terminals have been dissolved, with the trains running through. The "run through"was established in 1970, not too long before I started my railway career with CP in that area. If anybody could help me out, that would be awesome. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. BNSF Modifying 'Hi-Viz' Attendance Policy (UPDATED) Get the answers to the questions most commonly asked about BNSF. Paul MN. One of this year's projects was to add a fourth main through Amarillo, Texas. BNSF's Needles Sub Map and Railfan Info - TrainWeb.org Wondering where the crew change points are on the BNSF from Chicago to the Twin Cities on the Aurora and St. Croix Subs? LIONS with CAMERAS. But she added that incentive ultimately rewards those who take little, if any, time off and who don't need the points anyway. I imagine the Lee-miester isa busy camper these days, like everybody on UP. I think the Miles City to Harlowton run was one of them. Double tracking BNSF's transcon - PressReader They can be added if employees work during periods that are more in demand. Within these districts there are pools that work to/from intermediate terminals, such as Clinton to Marshalltown. Dickinson crews still run locals between New Salem and Beach including the ever growing rail hub of RICHARDTON ND. BNSF Railway opens fourth main track through Needles, Calif. - Trains Or even less: As late as the 1990s, there were still a few crew changes in the middle-of-nowhere, consisting of only a few sidings, a crew dormitory, and a 24-hour lunchroom. If an employee exhausts all of their points, they can be terminated. The Clinton-Mo Valleylong poolhandles mostly intermodal trains. The pandemic caused people to be out sick more often causing labor shortages. .so far" thread who said that through frieghts now use only one crew, but way freights are still supplied with crews on each Sub. Check this site for information about benefits and retirement plans. * Pueblo east: ??? BNSF crews frequently change crews here at Eola yard in Aurora, IL. LION *knows* that Mandan is a crew change point, but Dickinson is so no longer, and the next crew change point is Glendive, MT. At BNSF, we are proud and honored to receive recognitions from various organizations. If you would like more information on any of the subjects contained in this section, please feel free to contact us. It would mark a dramatic change to a labor contract that covers about 3,000 workers, or 60 percent of the BNSF system. If I'm wrong, the UP guys will probably weigh in, but on the OverlandRoute east of Cheyenne, I believe the closest crew change points are inNorth Platte and Fremont, Nebraska and in Boone, Iowa. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Curiosity about Melstone got to me and found out that it now has a population of 96, down from 136 in 2000. (Except when that train gets too long, then it goes back to the short pool.) A couple less employees to receive benefits. For pay purposes,a basic day is 130 miles, up from the original 100 mile day for freight. Harvey and Enderlin, ND; Glenwood, Thief River Falls, and Minneapolis/St. Then in 1972 (after the HOS was changed to 14 hours, Dec. 26, 1970) the company decided to open up an inter-divisional run fromLA to San Luis Obispo), and have us do it in 14 hours, which really worked good. Allan_Love_Jr Aug 26, 2007. The project required the company to move about 3.6 million tons of rock, lay 5 miles of new track, and build nine new bridges with a combined length of about 3,000 feet. This doesn't mean that runs were only 100 miles then or 130 miles now. Whenthe pool was smaller, you had to have about 30 years in to hold it. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Local BNSF railroad workers say the new attendance policy is "a brutal --Ken Stitzel (k@fc.hp.com)Learning Products Engineer (tech writer with functional enhancements), Hewlett-Packard Company (a pretty cool company to work for), Fort Collins, Colorado, USA (somewhere east of Masonville), (Opinions stated herein are provided without warranty and are not, representative of official or unofficial HP policy on shootercrew changes. ;-), --Kirk PettyABC Sign Productskpe@psd.k12.co.uskpe@abcsignproducts.comhttp://www.abcsignproducts.com ____________________________ __________________________ ___/oo|====~~~~~~~~~~~########|| |########~~~~~~~~~~====|oo\____ I_|______UNION PACIFIC__=_=_=_=|_I I_|______UNION PACIFIC___|_____|_I `-'O==O==O`-------------'O==O==O`-'~`-'O==O==O`-------------'O==O==O`-, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message.

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