Hi Jerry. I am desperate to see them try : ). So there is no difference in our observations either way, therefore you can choose either option and create an equally good model either way. It means the earth is not moving & everything else is! It may be possible, however, I do not think anyone has presented any theory that explains what we see happening in the sky in any convincing way except for the globe earth model. the upper limit of the atmosphere). If the Earth is round, then one marker should appear lower than the other when viewed at the same time through a telescope because the furthest marker would have fallen away with the curvature of the Earth. So there is a model that provides a very logical explanation as to how all the stars can appear to rotate around the earth. It was blamed on the instrumentation being faulty. Flat earthers just want to know the truth . In the words that the terminator never uttered in the movie : ‘I’ll be back !! Our scientific betters at NASA will confirm this for you. go watch actual science you have been seeing too many conspiracy theories. Globe theory can NOT be proven is a small or large scale, flat earth HAS been! 6) Explain why the construction of railroads, roads, bridges, etc. There are many ways to prove that the earth is spherical in shape, these proves are; 1] Circumnavigation of the earth : Ferdinand Megallian, a Spanish sailor with his crew sailed round the earth between 1519 and 1522, he and his crew were the first people to do so, It would be fantastic. Only 24 people have been far enough away from the earth to see it’s full disc without having to turn their head from side to side. I would never bend so low as to degrade or put anybody’s beliefs down, I would only suggest that we all need to understand our limitations when it comes to our own cognitive abilities. So if we want to truly understand how the universe works then we have to find out about it from people like this, people who have actually seen it and who actually know how it works…, Your email address will not be published. Gravity is the magic glue that holds the ball earth theory together. The best lie is 99% truth , but that 1% makes it a lie, not a half truth a lie. But what causes this acceleration? Explain all the videos people have made showing the earth IS NOT A SPINNING BALL from cameras they attached to balloons. Otherwise there would be red-shifted and blue-shifted bodies. No thoughtful person could accept such rubbish. In this case its not the relativistic observer in a light travel thought experiment but an actual observer in the 4th dimension ( time dimension). At least not as far as I am aware. All you have to do is spend a little to make a lot OR tell your friend so he can save his money. I’m still a fence sitter, but I am leaning towards Flat Earth. Hey Gary. Planes that stay level for their whole journey, not dipping for a curvature. “A ball spinning at 1000 mph or roughly, just doesn’t make sense.”. There are also ‘images’, claimed to be single image captures of the moon transiting in front of the earth, the same ditigal artefacts are present in the raw images. These kinds of ridiculous questions only prove my point in that most if not all flat earthers lack a basic understanding of physics. These two rotations are not caused by the earth, they are caused by a big structure rotating around the earth. I would also suggest that we all take a step off our high horses and realize that we are all guilty of believing we cannot possibly be wrong about what we believe. Also it wouldn’t even make sense. The only way you could find out what is actually happening is if you could get outside the whole system, and observe it from a vantage point outside the system. So without another working model it would be quite reasonable for any thoughtful person to be fairly confident that we are on a globe spinning in space. SPIN IT , hmmm. How are we able to even jump off the ground? Grow up! . Stars, on the other hand, remain in their fixed positions on the wheel. So there is no reason actually, logically or scientifically, to believe the earth is flat. I Believe What I SEE & can FEEL. It has two longer sides and one shorter side and almost looks like the hypersonic missile that the USAF has created, except this was hovering and moving very slowly. So it is counter productive if you just write over and over and over again that “believe in science” and that other guy just writes over and over and over again “satellites don’t exist.”, This site is for people who are prepared to consider that the currently accepted ideas by science might be wrong. If the TV or a science book says the earth is round then I automatically know to question it. https://physicsworld.com/a/optical-gyroscope-on-a-chip-can-detect-earths-rotation/. Also modern air routes and area navigation are based on the assumption that the earth is spherical in shape.top↑. So even if he does not get shot down we would probably never see him again…, Honest A like i said any explanation would sound stupid like a spoon stiring coffee really how does that rise up with a tremendous force holding it down ???? As if it were looking around, taking in the full scope the view has to offer. Honest AZ, the problem with arguing that we are moving within earths frame of reference, is that that argument directly contradicts coriolis force in its manifestations regarding everything from storm/weather mechanics to bullet/missile trajectories. The geometry of a globe and a flat plane are quite different. Not only is Antarctica off-limits, no unauthorized ships are permitted to cross over the 60 degree south latitude line. Greatest depth:12,262 metres (40,230 ft, 7.619 miles). They have taught us a bunch of crap theory as truth like Darwinian evolution or the earth being a set of concentric circles of stuff, (crust, magma, inner/outer core) when it’s not like that at all. Very very very easy thing to do with today’s technology. If this is an inappropriate topic or to personal I understand. It can also be translated as “vault”. In other words, God put his feet on the round earth, not the flat earth. Hi there. One other thing, I’m am definitely not fanatic about the conclusions I’ve come to about NASA and their behavior but when you make claims such as&& humanity has never walked on the moon based on a statement by some NASA employee made in questionable context I then I mind of need,to know the name and position within NASA, as well as time and place where these remarks were made. The Earth is a sphere and anything else is pure, childish ignorance. You know. But science teaches there was no firmament and the earth is filled with super hot magma and a melty, (my word) iron core. The bible is a collection of texts. So when you can’t see something to speculate on what it is and how it works is bound to result in incorrect theories and misunderstandings. I mean because the Earth is tilted on it’s axis we can be in two different spots on the planet at two different days and measure the shadow from a stick when the sun’s directly overhead and that’s proof, proof by way of looking at a ship that disappears bottom up when veiw from land thats on the water, I’m not really understanding why these aren’t good enough proofs for you to prove to yourself that the earth is round and not flat. https://coolinterestingstuff.com/operation-highjump-declassified-pictures-ufo-evidence if you search for Operation High Jump you will find a lot more info. 4) Please Demonstrate & Explain how Water can curve. How do we accept new knowledge provided by a source unless we verify it all before hand? The Australian lidar maker … Additionally, the shape is not so important as the position. 8] Aerial photograph : when a picture of the earth is taken from a high altitude by rockets or drones, the picture clearly show the curved edge of the earth. All celestial bodies we can view exhibit the same red-shift, showing that they are all moving away from Earth. If we were truly spinning, orbiting, eclipsing & hurtling at these massive speeds WHY CAN’T WE FEEL IT? the earth is flat, just ask the water it will never lie to you , it always seeks its own level, ALWAYS!! Not exactly. It is a belief, a religion, not founded on any logical or scientific basis. Oh & explain why all NASA’s computer graphic images show the earth to be PERFECTLY round when in fact Neil deGrasse Tyson says the earth is PEAR shaped an “oblate spheroid,” tales get taller on down the line! All comments above do not prove the reality of a globe nor the reality of a flat earth. Apparently, we live on a stationary plane! It completes one orbit in 365.26 days and this time is known as the Earth year. Fake science You can detect a rotation, but you can’t show if it is the earth rotating or if it is everything rotating around the earth. 1000 mph is almost motionless when we are talking about something as large as the earth. But I understand that others, like your good self, have no reason to question the current model. And if you would see a curve in the horizon, you would also see the horizon drop from the front, but you DON’T! So this is not absolute proof that the earth is a globe but it certainly shows that the earth could be a spinning globe and that our observations are consistent with being on a spinning globe. I had to use a different browser in order to find some useful info about the true state of the earth (flat). So I will read the books again and maybe try to describe it and perhaps make some videos about it over the coming months. As you note the moon, planets, etc, they are also moving because with these rotations but they have their own independent movements also so the planets, for example, are seen in different constellations at different times. That is because they can’t get past there indoctrination. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow. So right now you can not determine if you are on a stationary earth with things rotating around it or if you are on a rotating earth with things more-or-less stationary around it. There are just too many things you can see from distances which the Ball tells us are under hundreds or thousands of feet of curvature. Thanks…. Shalom, “A believer cannot be convinced of anything, because the believer has a deep-seated need to believe.” Carl Sagan, Globetards act contemptuously towards flat-earthers, ignorantly parroting whatever is heard. Funny how spinning ball believers start calling names & cannot back up anything they say! in when say for instance the sun was directly at 12:00 straight up you would be able to see it at different places in the sky not including its winter and summer paths at witch they are 24 hours full cycle but the paths at witch they travel going through the seasons would be back and fort up and down left and right . So this is the scientific explanation of how large bodies of water confirm to the shape of the earth. So you can not say “the earth is spinning” by observation. The globers have a believable story at least, but if you ask a flat earther how it works, he can not even tell a believable story that predicts what we observe happening…. Only the relative velocity between plane and earth does. One common example is the Bedford Level experiment, a form of which was first carried out in 1838 and used to “prove” the Earth was flat for over 30 years before an explanation was found. It’s does nothing but build mistrust and confusion because the application of the frame of reference becomes arbitrary depending on the desired answer. “uses the bible as an excuse in stead of looking out in the horizon and not seeing china”. Particularly about astronomy, the nature of the universe, creation, etc. Only through mutual respect and a reasonable over all attitude towards our fellow human beings can people collaborate to find truths that may be hidden from us, whether purposefully or because of a simple lack of knowledge. Anyhow, in the earthrise photo taken by apollo astronauts, there is an image artefact [a box]around the earth, how is that? So we already know NASA faked the moon landings, for example. Spinning Earth = Think of economies of “scale”. Then I grew up at around 8-9 years old and realized it was all BS. This puts a good level of confidence in the globe earth model. Maybe. Jake YOU GOT THIS! General public can not do more than that. Thank you for your timely response. It is your great fortune if you accept knowledge from a bonafide source and your great misfortune if you accept knowledge from someone who does not know. – Video, Eric Dubay’s 200 Proofs the Earth is Not a Spinning Ball Analyzed — Video, Flat Earthers don’t look at the Sky — Video, Are Southern Hemisphere Flights Real? Which tests don’t confirm the “hypothesis”? Mercury makes one complete orbit of the Sun every 0.24 years. Do you know of the video link where apparently they placed two measuring devices at the Bolivian Salt Flats 100 miles apart and it shows there is no curvature over that distance. Realistically, through our sense perception and the scientific process, we can’t know much at all about the universe, because we can’t perceive the universe. A HAB, (high altitude balloon) $500-$1000 + A personal locator beacon, ($200-$300) + A GoPro camera, ($150-$300). And it could keep going until the batteries died, maybe five years, maybe even ten years. They would just be the same thing. The current earth science paradigm is rubbish, it’s concocted. So science depends completely on the observations of our senses, which are extremely limited and faulty. Hi flat earth facts, yes you always have good points it’s obvious you’re not an idiot and that you choose to reserve your position until, I guess what, more facts come in? The globe earth model doesn’t work. Seasonal variations would be impossible on a globe earth, Non-changing view of Stars prove flat earth, Can’t detect rotation of earth proves flat earth, Rivers, Railways and the curve of the earth, Differences between North and South Hemispheres, Airplane pilots don’t adjust course for the curve, No Midnight Sun in Antarctica proves flat earth, https://coolinterestingstuff.com/operation-highjump-declassified-pictures-ufo-evidence, https://physicsworld.com/a/optical-gyroscope-on-a-chip-can-detect-earths-rotation/, Why do so many people believe the earth is flat? Google no longer presents the information available. I acylly think the earth is flat. What we see happening in the sky is EXACTLY what we would expect to see happening in the sky if we were on a spinning ball… Even one of the leaders of flat earth proved that the earth wasn’t flat. You have accepted what you have been taught without question and believe the “non-biased, provable, repeatable, peer reviewed facts” you have been indoctrinated with since birth. If one was able to stand in the middle of the Atlantic, with calm seas you’d only be able to see about three miles in every direction. I do understand. Example Energy Required to Orbit. SERIOUSLY? How’s that possible if there’s curvature. We cannot rely on our 5 senses to come to concrete conclusions about reality, we need extra senses to actually know for sure that we are correct or incorrect about reality. Your argument that an observer must be a significant height above the surface in order to detect a curve is, sadly, invalid. It is not the purpose of this site to provide a platform for people who want to simply blindly believe in the church of science or blindly believe in the church of flat earth. I have bookmarked this page and in time will review every subject mentioned above and duplicate any scientific-fact or calculations by looking up what physics-laws tell us about the validity when being used as science-facts that dis-prove or prove the earth is a globe. Yet, it just seems to be accepted as working despite the logical contradictions presented by an earth that rotates uniformly in one direction. We only have these stories told by scientists which may or may not be true but which satisfy the people who think they must know, even though it is impossible for them to know by the scientific method. It is not science. The rest is below your horizon, which, at a distance of 25 miles, equates to 322 feet of tower. Gravity yes, Relativity yes, BUT general relativity does not work for deep space. So, at the Summer Solstice, the longest day of the year, we have 201.8° of daylight, or 201.8°/15° per hour = 13.45 hours = 13 hours 27 minutes of daylight. Would that convince you that it’s round and not something else? It is discovery through inspiration. And on your side you can agree to stop this NASA men on the moon nonsense until they provide some proof that at least they can send unmanned missions to the moon. He said forever guys to give u an idea of what they found! In , we calculated the energy required to simply lift the 9000-kg Soyuz vehicle from Earth’s surface to the height of the ISS, 400 km above the surface. It is a belief system, and yes, it is not proven absolutely, but they have got a very well developed logical and consistent working scientific model which is quite persuasive and most thoughtful persons can become fairly confident the earth is a spinning globe upon studying and testing the model…, “Your points are very good and almost all the tests confirm the hypothesis that the earth is a ball.”. If everything we see are just lights on a rigid, transparent dome, how does the Moon change its positions with respect to the stars each night? I’m truly interested in learning about other hypothesis for what I can observe. You sound like you have a good brain on your shoulders. Of course, there are two rotations we observe, one is the 24 hour rotation we believe is caused by the rotation of the earth, the other is the 365 day rotation that we believe is caused by the earth moving around the sun. So the reality is we don’t actually know anything about the size of the universe, the distance of the stars, where the stars are even, if we believe Michael’s bending light theory, etc. “HEY” Bryan? Hey Allen. But most importantly… Without their “globe” model their evolution theory goes down the tubes. You will not see any curve. Wow…. But it was reported that the markers are the same height, suggesting the Earth is actually flat. Yeah. So the point is science with the scientific method of obeservantion and experimentation is not at all well positioned to tell us anything much at all about the universe. So there is a problem with your logic Bacon. Science is not selecting one option and religiously and illogically defending that option. Hens your readings are going to be just as faulty as the observations you make with your five senses. Today Google is not a search engine, it is brainwashing. When we include the effect atmospheric refraction, the lower 270 feet of the tower is hidden. Earth was to see how nasa was faking space travel eg. I choose to go with the best and simplest explanation that does not require me to do mental gymnastics to fit a somewhat silly notion into the space reserved for reality. But they have censorship on there side. Your points are very good and almost all the tests confirm the hypothesis that the earth is a ball. South Pole: Admiral Richard E. Byrd discovered a landmass the size of the United States of America. In reality some of the “proofs” that the earth is flat given by the flat earthers are not valid and some of these are outrageously and obviously incorrect. Earth is the third planet of the solar system orbiting the sun. So maybe, with your help, we can work it out in time. There is no debate about the shape of the rock we live on, only about the lack of scientific literacy common among those people who claim it is flat. Here, as well as orbiting the sun once per year, the earth spins, completing a full rotation every 24 hours. BUT, most importantly, YOU can test it and prove for YOURSELF. You are completely correct. 5 0 × 1 0 1 1 m. Orbital period (time Earth takes to orbit once) is 365 Earth days. All you can do is regurgitate what you were told & obviously you weren’t paying to close attention to that either. Copernicus argued that the spinning of the earth explains the apparent movements of the sun (and other heavenly bodies) around the earth over the course of the day and night. In all fairness, when you were told about the Easter bunny and tooth fairy you were also told the Earth is round. No problem. It is true that we just believe what we are taught, if we were taught the earth was not spinning and someone told us it was spinning we would laugh at them and call them a fool. So bacon there is no logic in your reasoning. Man, are you kidding us? While we cannot visually detect horizontal curvature, we can measure how the surface curves away from us. But the thing is they have constructed a model and a story of how it works, which is far far better than what the flat earth people have got. The thing is by speculating, by ‘science’, we can never really understand things that are beyond our sense perception. Go out side in the morning in the winter right when you see the first sign of light in the horizon. So yes, you are correct, that our observations do indicate that it appears that the most likely situation we are in which, for the most, part explains our observations, is that we are on a ball spinning in space however this still remains a theory and we do not have absolute proof of that. But perspective makes it appear that the clouds are rising over the horizon where they appear and then the same cloud will appear to rise above our heads and then when it has traveled to the point where it is almost not visible it will be on the horizon and a little bit later it will set below the horizon and disappear. Spinning around 1000mph, eclipsing the sun at 67,000 mph while hurtling through space at 1.3 million mph ~ BULLSHIT! For example, the midnight sun at one pole and 24 hours of darkness at the other pole simultaneously. When it takes off its speed is added to the speed it was already traveling with the earth. Do you have mental issues? 4. I certainly wouldn’t want to defame anyone that was an employee of nasa. Hi Jerry. I didn’t claim CGI = fake. The further north of that you go, the more days of midnight sun. So the point is we can’t dig down very far so we don’t know…, Kola Superdeep Borehole Of course more detail is required, but it can perfectly explain everything we observe and be used to predict the exact occurrences of things like solar and lunar eclipses, etc. I guarantee that his math is wrong. Flat earthers have no idea whatsoever how to explain anything really. I would be very pleased actually if they could provide proof, and it should be simple for them to do. Did someone tell you this? Globe earth model is the only practical working model we have to make sense of the universe we find ourselves in. It doesn’t wobble at all, according the the globe earth model. I think your reference to some youtube video is the biggest issue as to why you lack actual answers to these questions you pose. 3] Deflation of rain and ocean current : due to the rotation of the earth, freely moving bodies on the surface of the earth are deflected from their original path to the right in the northern hemisphere or to the left in the southern hemisphere.top↑. Almost six miles up and you’d only be able to see a portion of the earth the size of a quarter on a sixteen inch globe. The “enoch” book was excluded because it contradicts itself. All you have to do is do some good science in a way that can pass peer review and any and all tests and experiments that can be thrown at it and boom, you rich and famous. It stays at eye level, which can only happen on a flat plane. Still there are main points raised by the flat earthers which raise interesting questions and do truly put our assumption that the earth is a globe into question. The big bang theory that most people subscribe to for example, was invented by a Jesuit named Georges Lemaître who suggested it to Einstein.

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